Jul 14 2008

IE does not support modern web standards

Apple - MobileMe - Migrating

Found here: http://​www​.apple​.com/​m​o​b​i​l​e​m​e​/​m​i​g​r​a​ting/

Finally, someone has the balls to out and out say it in a professional context. IE7 does not support modern web standards.

Nice.

Comments

Gravatar for Dean.

Nice. I won­der what they think of IE6.

Posted by Dean on

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And what about Opera 9.5? MobileMe doesn’t sup­port it at all, even the unsup­ported browser win­dow doesn’t work. Con­tains con­tinue but­ton, but don’t expect it to do anything.

Their frame­work was done Fire­fox in mind and fixed to sup­port Safari. Don’t blame the Apple, blame the SproutCore!

Posted by Opera user on

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@Opera user:

I’m afraid that I really don’t get Opera. I’m not sur­prised that it’s not on the list of sup­ported browsers — have you seen it run­ning on a Mac? In my opin­ion, it’s one of the worst designed user inter­faces on the mac — who uses cus­tom skins that are that ugly these days? Seri­ously. If you don’t have the chops to design an app that’s attrac­tive, stick the UI guide­lines and default con­trols — don’t just port your win­dows crap­ware UI…

Also, you are aware that Apple con­tributes and sup­ports Sprout­Core, right?

That all said, I’d be sur­prised if Apple don’t end up sup­port Opera — from what I under­stand, it’s stan­dards sup­port is not ter­ri­ble (although SC is more depen­dent on the javascript engine being used).

Posted by Tony Arnold on

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Oh I’m sorry……. Been using opera on a mac since, well the whole three years I’ve been with a mac. And if you want to go win­dows hat­ing ui not native argu­ments, try NOTTO for­get what kind of shit Fire­fox is. So, “Fire­fox 3 fixed some of those things” and also imple­mented Win­dows Rib­bon ui-​design (how maclike, isn’t it?-), while Opera 9.5 atleast got a closer to Mac feeling.

SproutScore just uses bad javascript, it works rel­a­tively well if one masks Opera to show as Firesux.

Posted by Opera user on

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Oh yea had to add. “Who uses cus­tom skins” well even Apple uses them in iTunes/​GarageBand/​ProApplications and .. FIRE­FOXs whole gui is ren­dered by gecko. So please :)

Posted by Opera user on

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Please re-​read my com­ment. I said “who uses cus­tom skins that are that ugly these days”, not “who uses cus­tom skins”. Of course Apple use cus­tom skins for their apps — some of the most attrac­tive apps on the mac don’t directly fol­low the HIG. The prob­lem is, you shouldn’t break the rules with­out under­stand­ing them — which I don’t believe the Opera devel­op­ers do.

Fire­fox, on the other hand — while it still has a ways to go — is at least mak­ing an effort to be a “good mac citizen” — Firefox 3.0 was a mas­sive improve­ment for them. I see noth­ing of the kind with Opera 9.5 for the Mac — they don’t appear to be mak­ing any effort to inte­grate with other Mac OS X ser­vices, nor to make the user inter­face expe­ri­ence famil­iar to aver­age mac users.

For ref­er­ence, I use Safari for my day-​to-​day brows­ing. In my expe­ri­ence, it’s the fastest browser on the Mac — but every­body looks for dif­fer­ent fea­tures from their browser.

You’re enti­tled to your opin­ions, and to express them, but this post isn’t about Opera — at all. You seem to have an axe to grind regard­ing Opera, and that’s fine, but this isn’t the place to do that. This post is about Inter­net Explorer, and the fact that Apple had the chops to place the warn­ing in the image above on a flag­ship prod­uct — I think it’s a bold move.

Posted by Tony Arnold on

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Don’t sweat it Tony, there are the niche freaks in every class. I’ve got a boss who swears by Omni­Web, and per­son­ally I use Camino (‘cause i can’t stand Firefox’s app load times and GUI), but I still have Fire­fox around because as cludgy as it is, the Plu­gin sup­port is absolutely impos­si­ble to live without.

Apple takes the same approach I do to design. Go by the num­bers. The vast major­ity of the peo­ple I give a damn about view­ing my site use either Safari, or some Gekko-​using browser (Fire­fox, Mozilla, Camino, etc). I don’t care about IE users (6 or 7), nor do I care about Opera, Omni­Web, etc. Apple had to work in IE sup­port as it is still the lions share of the mar­ket, fol­lowed by Gekko/​Firefox and of course Safari. I don’t design for the “inter­net”. I design for my users. I try to stay standards-​compliant along the way, and typ­i­cally suc­ceed, but if I have to hack some­thing to make it work in Firefox/​Safari, and it breaks IE or a browser that has < dou­ble dig­its of mar­ket share, i don’t really care.

In response to Tony’s blog entry: Amen and Bravo Apple. I applaud that they sup­port the native browsers of almost every plat­form (stop­ping short of Kon­querer) as well as Fire­fox. The lim­ited IE /​Win­dows sup­port should sur­prise no one. And the fact that they don’t offi­cially sup­port any­thing else is just a num­bers game.

Posted by peel­man on

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