Found here: http://www.apple.com/mobileme/migrating/
Finally, someone has the balls to out and out say it in a professional context. IE 7 does not support modern web standards.
Nice.
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- Dean 14 Jul 08 at 10:26am
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Nice. I wonder what they think of IE6.
- Opera user 15 Jul 08 at 6:50am
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And what about Opera 9.5? MobileMe doesn’t support it at all, even the unsupported browser window doesn’t work. Contains continue button, but don’t expect it to do anything.
Their framework was done Firefox in mind and fixed to support Safari. Don’t blame the Apple, blame the SproutCore!
- Tony Arnold 15 Jul 08 at 9:29am
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@Opera user:
I’m afraid that I really don’t get Opera. I’m not surprised that it’s not on the list of supported browsers - have you seen it running on a Mac? In my opinion, it’s one of the worst designed user interfaces on the mac - who uses custom skins that are that ugly these days? Seriously. If you don’t have the chops to design an app that’s attractive, stick the UI guidelines and default controls - don’t just port your windows crapware UI…
Also, you are aware that Apple contributes and supports SproutCore, right?
That all said, I’d be surprised if Apple don’t end up support Opera - from what I understand, it’s standards support is not terrible (although SC is more dependent on the javascript engine being used).
- Opera user 15 Jul 08 at 8:41pm
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Oh I’m sorry……. Been using opera on a mac since, well the whole three years I’ve been with a mac. And if you want to go windows hating ui not native arguments, try NOT TO forget what kind of shit Firefox is. So, “Firefox 3 fixed some of those things” and also implemented Windows Ribbon ui-design (how maclike, isn’t it?-), while Opera 9.5 atleast got a closer to Mac feeling.
SproutScore just uses bad javascript, it works relatively well if one masks Opera to show as Firesux.
- Opera user 15 Jul 08 at 8:43pm
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Oh yea had to add. “Who uses custom skins” well even Apple uses them in iTunes/GarageBand/ProApplications and .. FIREFOXs whole gui is rendered by gecko. So please :)
- Tony Arnold 16 Jul 08 at 0:19am
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Please re-read my comment. I said “who uses custom skins that are that ugly these days”, not “who uses custom skins”. Of course Apple use custom skins for their apps - some of the most attractive apps on the mac don’t directly follow the HIG. The problem is, you shouldn’t break the rules without understanding them - which I don’t believe the Opera developers do.
Firefox, on the other hand - while it still has a ways to go - is at least making an effort to be a “good mac citizen” - Firefox 3.0 was a massive improvement for them. I see nothing of the kind with Opera 9.5 for the Mac - they don't appear to be making any effort to integrate with other Mac OS X services, nor to make the user interface experience familiar to average mac users.
For reference, I use Safari for my day-to-day browsing. In my experience, it’s the fastest browser on the Mac - but everybody looks for different features from their browser.
You’re entitled to your opinions, and to express them, but this post isn’t about Opera - at all. You seem to have an axe to grind regarding Opera, and that’s fine, but this isn’t the place to do that. This post is about Internet Explorer, and the fact that Apple had the chops to place the warning in the image above on a flagship product - I think it’s a bold move.
- peelman 16 Jul 08 at 0:39am
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Don’t sweat it Tony, there are the niche freaks in every class. I’ve got a boss who swears by OmniWeb, and personally I use Camino (‘cause i can’t stand Firefox’s app load times and GUI), but I still have Firefox around because as cludgy as it is, the Plugin support is absolutely impossible to live without.
Apple takes the same approach I do to design. Go by the numbers. The vast majority of the people I give a damn about viewing my site use either Safari, or some Gekko-using browser (Firefox, Mozilla, Camino, etc). I don’t care about IE users (6 or 7), nor do I care about Opera, OmniWeb, etc. Apple had to work in IE support as it is still the lions share of the market, followed by Gekko/Firefox and of course Safari. I don’t design for the “internet”. I design for my users. I try to stay standards-compliant along the way, and typically succeed, but if I have to hack something to make it work in Firefox/Safari, and it breaks IE or a browser that has < double digits of market share, i don’t really care.
In response to Tony’s blog entry: Amen and Bravo Apple. I applaud that they support the native browsers of almost every platform (stopping short of Konquerer) as well as Firefox. The limited IE / Windows support should surprise no one. And the fact that they don’t officially support anything else is just a numbers game.
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